I'm content with keeping the format similar to past Iowa events. If anyone wants to chime in with new ideas/thoughts, let's do it now!! ....and don't be shy. If you have an idea, speak up. We don't bite (hard).
One idea......... was thinking of asking folks via forums/social media, to chime in on their thoughts for the house track. I know in past events, we have covered stuff fairly well. I'm gonna probably piss off a couple great guys. However, when you've been involved in the industry for many years (in whatever capacity), it's like wearing blinders. I speak for myself right now.......I can cut up and make any track sound great, but that doesn't make it a DIY-worthy house track. What do you guys think?
FWIW, here are my thoughts. I'm an advocate of very clean cuts of music for DIY test tracks. IMHO, the purpose is to test the speakers ability to reproduce the following aspects of the speaker not play a favorite song;
treble
midrange
bass
male vocals
female vocals
An observation,some genre play better than others in large environments like the Harris center. If the cut is from a recording made in a big hall that is played in a big hall, I find it difficult to get much out of listening to it regardless of how good the recording is. The flip side of that is, you can't make a crap recording sound good on any speaker.
Whatever you do, I won't be pissed off. I think you guys are doing a great job and hope you keep doing it.
As I am currently working 60-70hrs a week for the foreseeable future, I will have minimal input this time around.
One thing I like to do is include a track that has a passage that replicates something a speaker with certain of various compromises would do. At Dakota this year, that track contained a certain horn passage that had a lot of energy centered at 800Hz - and it sounded completely different on every speaker. In some cases, it was very obvious. The culprit for those differences is primarily panel resonance.
On some demo tracks I have mixed, there is an abundance of energy in the 1-3k region, which can replicate or exacerbate a tweeter crossed too low or a woofer breakup not tanked enough, for example. It will also cause the "bloom" common in LR4 2-way systems to be exaggerated.
I have also included tracks in the past selected exclusively because they will make BSC choices jump out at you.
There are a lot of aspects into a challenging demo track than meets the eye. Demo music should be difficult to render properly, should be deceptively simple at first blush, and should offer at least one challenge to the cabinet and crossover point in addition to overall tonality and bass tuning.
BK - to your point about ideas, I think it would be great to have a typical 85db demo session, and then a Barbie Girl level demo session.
It is hard to say what needs to be improved on, I think keeping with the digital playback with everyone's test track preloaded with level matching helps a lot with time.
It would be nice to project the list or order that the speakers are going to be in so the next presenter would be ready.
Maybe selectively choose the order so that two really good speakers could play back to back like John suggests. Maybe play the personal demo firsts, then house track, then next speaker, house track, then personal demo.
The other thing would be more of a teaching moment, but open with a know set of speakers playing the house track and while the track is playing explain what to listen for and why each track was selected.
The music I listen to is very limited, both in dynamic range, quality, genre, etc. So the house tracks and the individual demo tracks are very enjoyable to me, and if some track jumps out at me, i will note it and hunt it down.... Sometimes, it would be the only track in the album or of that artist that i would like, sometimes i would like a lot more tracks...
so whatever you do, i am sure there is going to be something for me to look forward to. I also like it that once (forget when) there was also a movie track. Movie special effects / dubstep / EDM can also have a high level of low and tactile bass that a usual musical composition may not have. The lindsey stirling track comes to mind. The Infected Mushroon track provided some light moments and so did the baribie girl track
Event website is up. Feel free to register - it's never too early to register, especially if you're presenting. Figure 28 projects will be the absolute maximum, so get your info in early.
FYI - If we do get overbooked, there will be plenty of opportunity to demo speakers at the hotel, as in previous years. We do have the Best Western Pioneer Inn again and they have agreed to let us use the breakfast nook on Friday and Saturday. There is a new manager at the hotel this year and while I was talking to her, I don't believe she understood what our group was all about even though she looked everything up on their system. Yes, hotels do keep track of folks like us. At least we don't have any negative remarks pinned on us....let's try to keep it that way. LOL.
I am registered, although I have not even started a new project yet. I did find time last weekend to stock up on some birch handi-panels and I have a nice selection of drivers to pick from.
I took some time off around Labor day - I plan on assembling a new pair that weekend, which gives me several weeks of testing and listening before Iowa.
I have been working a lot of hours lately, and along with some other stuff in my life going on means I have simply not had time to even really think about DIY since DakotaDIY.
What that means in BK and JP are doing all of the heavy lifting for this upcoming event, and I want to thank them in advance for their patience with me this summer.
P.S. It is looking like a SB/Viawave monitor for me this year. Cross your fingers, should be sweet.
15 projects registered in just under one week!! I know of several folks who will be presenting but have not yet registered. Please get your registrations in early if you're showing a project. We don't want to turn anyone away from experiencing a Harris Center presentation slot but unfortunately we are limited by time and human ears, the latter of which are easily fried after about eight hours of speaker demos.
If you reach the max number of entries that time will allow maybe you should limit one entry per person? As you mentioned, there is always the informal hotel time if a second design wants to be demo'd. Don't want this to turn into a InDIYana type show...
I left a comment when I registered my second pair of speakers that they should be included only if time permitted as I didn't want to bump someone from the main event to demo 2 pairs.
Nobody has more than one entry so far and I doubt that anyone will be allowed to at this pace. But yeah, of course there's plenty of demo time during the informal sessions at the hotel. We are up to 21 projects as of today.
Nobody has more than one entry so far and I doubt that anyone will be allowed to at this pace. But yeah, of course there's plenty of demo time during the informal sessions at the hotel. We are up to 21 projects as of today.
I have more than one entry and both currently show up on the registration page. Feel free to bump one if you need to.
Ah crap!! How did I manage that? So the PLT's is the main project? I should remove the Evil B's correct? That's what I get for trying to update the website when I'm on vacation and really not paying attention. Sorry bout that.
Nobody has more than one entry so far and I doubt that anyone will be allowed to at this pace. But yeah, of course there's plenty of demo time during the informal sessions at the hotel. We are up to 21 projects as of today.
I have more than one entry and both currently show up on the registration page. Feel free to bump one if you need to.
OK, got a room booked. Just need to build some damn thing or other.
For a change, I have nothing for swap meet. Ya'll cleaned me out in June.
I might be able to bring a buttload of sammiches for late night munchies, if anyone is interested. I can probably convince work to provide them. Heat N eat style, cut above typical quick serve shit you find in gas stations and grocery stores.
I have a really sweet sounding KT88 SET amp for after hours listening. It doesn't have anywhere near the balls for the official hotel meeting (breakfast) room. But its 12 wpc is perfect for someone's sponsored after hours hotel room. We really only need a hand full of watts after 10 PM and that is where this amp shines.
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FWIW, here are my thoughts. I'm an advocate of very clean cuts of music for DIY test tracks. IMHO, the purpose is to test the speakers ability to reproduce the following aspects of the speaker not play a favorite song;
- treble
- midrange
- bass
- male vocals
- female vocals
An observation,some genre play better than others in large environments like the Harris center. If the cut is from a recording made in a big hall that is played in a big hall, I find it difficult to get much out of listening to it regardless of how good the recording is. The flip side of that is, you can't make a crap recording sound good on any speaker.Whatever you do, I won't be pissed off. I think you guys are doing a great job and hope you keep doing it.
Jim
One thing I like to do is include a track that has a passage that replicates something a speaker with certain of various compromises would do. At Dakota this year, that track contained a certain horn passage that had a lot of energy centered at 800Hz - and it sounded completely different on every speaker. In some cases, it was very obvious. The culprit for those differences is primarily panel resonance.
On some demo tracks I have mixed, there is an abundance of energy in the 1-3k region, which can replicate or exacerbate a tweeter crossed too low or a woofer breakup not tanked enough, for example. It will also cause the "bloom" common in LR4 2-way systems to be exaggerated.
I have also included tracks in the past selected exclusively because they will make BSC choices jump out at you.
There are a lot of aspects into a challenging demo track than meets the eye. Demo music should be difficult to render properly, should be deceptively simple at first blush, and should offer at least one challenge to the cabinet and crossover point in addition to overall tonality and bass tuning.
BK - to your point about ideas, I think it would be great to have a typical 85db demo session, and then a Barbie Girl level demo session.
One of my favorite things is to make my own track for demoing speakers at Iowa.
That said, I’d give it up if we could do back to back speaker house track comparisons.
What would also help is to know what drivers are in the speaker playing.
It would be nice to project the list or order that the speakers are going to be in so the next presenter would be ready.
Maybe selectively choose the order so that two really good speakers could play back to back like John suggests. Maybe play the personal demo firsts, then house track, then next speaker, house track, then personal demo.
The other thing would be more of a teaching moment, but open with a know set of speakers playing the house track and while the track is playing explain what to listen for and why each track was selected.
The last one might be a little over the top.
so whatever you do, i am sure there is going to be something for me to look forward to. I also like it that once (forget when) there was also a movie track. Movie special effects / dubstep / EDM can also have a high level of low and tactile bass that a usual musical composition may not have. The lindsey stirling track comes to mind. The Infected Mushroon track provided some light moments and so did the baribie girl track
That said, I could put something together for you if you want to step back from making the house cut for a bit.
http://www.midwestaudioclub.com/events/iowa2017/
Jim
I took some time off around Labor day - I plan on assembling a new pair that weekend, which gives me several weeks of testing and listening before Iowa.
I have been working a lot of hours lately, and along with some other stuff in my life going on means I have simply not had time to even really think about DIY since DakotaDIY.
What that means in BK and JP are doing all of the heavy lifting for this upcoming event, and I want to thank them in advance for their patience with me this summer.
P.S. It is looking like a SB/Viawave monitor for me this year. Cross your fingers, should be sweet.
One per for the main event sounds fine.
Ron
Ron
Ron
For a change, I have nothing for swap meet. Ya'll cleaned me out in June.
I might be able to bring a buttload of sammiches for late night munchies, if anyone is interested. I can probably convince work to provide them. Heat N eat style, cut above typical quick serve shit you find in gas stations and grocery stores.
How are we looking for a front end?